<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Hi,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I just wanted to ask if there was any change meanwhile? </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I understand your arguments but it is a real pain to convert a huge number of JS scripts to cast it to the corresponding Java type. This prevents us to switch to GraalVM. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks,</div><div class="">Andreas</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">-- <br class="">Andreas Mueller<br class="">IIT Software GmbH<br class=""><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.swiftmq.com&d=DwMFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=CUkXBxBNT_D5N6HMJ5T9Z6rmvNKYsqupcbk72K0lcoQ&m=aqXLTYtXSZ5-tlsOUsRs48LqPFjLZbC0It182l6jsWw&s=5KMNz1rcA0rOLs-qdW5-JbZiAo3uTWoMqG1MYOPtdHE&e=" class="">http://www.swiftmq.com</a><br class=""><br class=""><span><img apple-inline="yes" id="83B84F5F-3B83-404C-9F89-1835608AEF55" src="cid:D8D52512-246D-49DF-A1D7-CA2813FBD86A@multi.box" class=""></span><br class=""></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On 6. Sep 2018, at 18:29, Andreas Mueller <<a href="mailto:am@iit.de" class="">am@iit.de</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Hi Christian,<br class=""><br class="">thanks for the explanation.<br class=""><br class="">Look here (last section):<br class=""><br class=""><a href="https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/technotes/guides/scripting/prog_guide/javascript.html" class="">https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/technotes/guides/scripting/prog_guide/javascript.html</a><br class=""><br class="">Regards <br class="">Andreas <br class=""><br class="">Am 06.09.2018 um 15:47 schrieb Christian Wirth <christian.wirth@oracle.com>:<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Hi Andreas,<br class=""><br class="">thanks for keeping persistent on that matter.<br class=""><br class="">> Actually I don’t need this graaljs “feature” at all. ;-)<br class=""><br class="">In fact you would; you need a new Graal.js/Truffle feature that converts the value for you. From a Java perspective, you are providing a wrong data type according to the method signature. You trust JavaScript to convert correctly, according to some defined (?) semantics of selecting the right method and right conversion.<br class=""><br class="">The reason why we don't have this by default is two fold: first, we try to provide something that works across more languages, not just JS between Java; and secondly, we think such a feature can cause way more trouble than it solves, especially if you go as far as String => int conversions.<br class=""><br class="">But yes, I acknowledge that this feature could simplify the migration from Nashorn to Graal.js, especially if you don't have an API on either side that does that already and you cannot introduce such API.<br class=""><br class="">> can’t you just act like Nashorn<br class=""><br class="">Are you aware of any documentation (outside source code) that describes Nashorn's semantics on this, that your code depends on? In what order (of target data types) do you expect we try to convert to, if ambiguous - especially when methods with more than one arguments are involved? We have seen behavior that is dependent on the ordering of method definitions in the Java class file; that is something we cannot easily support. We have seen errors arise from JS code trusting its numeric data is int, while it was double (or the other way round) unexpectedly; that's not something we can solve automatically in the engine. <br class=""><br class="">We are still working on providing better compatibility. One of the next improvements will be to explicitly select which method+signature you want to call (<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_graalvm_graaljs_issues_37&d=DwQFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=CUkXBxBNT_D5N6HMJ5T9Z6rmvNKYsqupcbk72K0lcoQ&m=aqXLTYtXSZ5-tlsOUsRs48LqPFjLZbC0It182l6jsWw&s=W6SQqnFbKdyxq89O8X22y_LU6XRmNQrOqd94HFJ3Vok&e=">https://github.com/graalvm/graaljs/issues/37</a>). This won't solve the problem of conversion, but allows to mitigate the issue of seemingly random selection of methods that are called. Feel free to file any issues you come across in our Github Issue tracker; we can prioritize issues of high interest.<br class=""><br class="">Note that the Nashorn Compatibility Mode is not something we would encourage you to use on the long run. It helps you to migrate more easily now, but with it enabled, you might miss newer features of Graal.js/GraalVM, or run into compatibility issues in your JS code (JSAdapter has been superseded by ES6's Proxy, that JS Strings are in fact java.lang.Strings is an implementation detail that might not be correct forever, etc.).<br class=""><br class="">Best,<br class="">Christian<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Am 06.09.2018 um 14:20 schrieb Andreas Mueller:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:A0CA4089-1A8A-4994-BD7F-4EFF5501FC5F@iit.de" class="">Hi,<br class=""><br class="">I’ve tested the latest graalvm release and I’m still getting an exception due to lossy conversion.<br class=""><br class="">Actually I have a JS var that contains a String but is an int and the Java method call is int. I know that graaljs is restrictive here but can’t you just act like Nashorn when in Nashorn compatibility mode?<br class=""><br class="">I mean I know that I pass a String containing an int so I am responsible for that. Actually I don’t need this graaljs “feature” at all. ;-)<br class=""><br class="">Thanks,<br class="">Andreas<br class=""><br class="">-- <br class="">Andreas Mueller<br class="">IIT Software GmbH<br class=""><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.swiftmq.com&d=DwQFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=CUkXBxBNT_D5N6HMJ5T9Z6rmvNKYsqupcbk72K0lcoQ&m=aqXLTYtXSZ5-tlsOUsRs48LqPFjLZbC0It182l6jsWw&s=5KMNz1rcA0rOLs-qdW5-JbZiAo3uTWoMqG1MYOPtdHE&e=">http://www.swiftmq.com</a><br class=""><br class=""><swiftmq_logo_positiv.png><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On 22 Jun 2018, at 20:34, Andreas Mueller <am@iit.de> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Hi Christian,<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Did you try if it worked if you annotated it? Or is your code (or relevant parts of it) open-source so we can run it ourselves?<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">I didn’t test it yet. It’s not open source either (the scripts are under Apache 2 but the SwiftMQ is not). <br class=""><br class="">The scripts are using a SwiftMQ Stream Interface (the Java part provided by SwiftMQ). The intention is to use any JSR 223 available scripting engine so that scripts (SwiftMQ Steeams) can be written in JS, Groovy, Scala, Python etc. We have only tested (and implemented it) in JS. So I can add annotattions but would rather appreciated if you don’t require them at all.<br class=""><br class="">Javadoc of the Stream Interface, FYI (sometimes we just use a Runnable as the callback interface):<br class=""><br class=""><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.swiftmq.com_products_router_swiftlets_sys-5Fstreams_si_javadoc_index.html&d=DwQFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=CUkXBxBNT_D5N6HMJ5T9Z6rmvNKYsqupcbk72K0lcoQ&m=aqXLTYtXSZ5-tlsOUsRs48LqPFjLZbC0It182l6jsWw&s=54Bm_-EE8ZfHOgxlN_OiB61GmCCvN18CFY6hdTA_cYs&e=">http://www.swiftmq.com/products/router/swiftlets/sys_streams/si/javadoc/index.html</a><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">> What we need is in fact a Nashorn replacement as a scripting engine as part of the JDK<br class="">> or as a plugin into the JDK by adding it to the classpath.<br class=""><br class="">Executing Graal JavaScript on a stock JDK is possible already (without Graal as optimizing compiler), and we are working on a fully-performant solution for JDK 11 (with Graal). Graal JavaScript tries to be closely compatible to Nashorn, but it is unrealistic that it ever provides 100% compatibility. Feedback like yours helps us understand what users care about most.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">We have a lot of scripts we can test again GraalVM, no problem. Just post it when you have a new release and I’ll give it a try.<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">> Nashorn’s performance is ok for us but an increase would be much<br class="">> appreciated. Are there plans to provide that?<br class=""><br class="">Graal JavaScript is significantly faster than Nashorn on most peak performance benchmarks (often orders of magnitude faster). But please note the difference: Nashorn always compiles the JavaScript code it executes to bytecode. Graal JavaScript requires Graal as optimizing compiler to achive good performance. The setup you are testing right now does not include Graal, so in your case, JavaScript is only interpreted, thus you will experience a performance impact.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Interpreted is not an option for us.<br class=""><br class="">Thanks,<br class="">Andreas<br class="">-- <br class="">Andreas Mueller<br class="">IIT Software GmbH<br class=""><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.swiftmq.com&d=DwQFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=CUkXBxBNT_D5N6HMJ5T9Z6rmvNKYsqupcbk72K0lcoQ&m=aqXLTYtXSZ5-tlsOUsRs48LqPFjLZbC0It182l6jsWw&s=5KMNz1rcA0rOLs-qdW5-JbZiAo3uTWoMqG1MYOPtdHE&e=">http://www.swiftmq.com</a><br class=""><br class=""><swiftmq_logo_positiv.png><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">IIT Software GmbH<br class="">Falkenhorst 11, 48155 Münster, Germany<br class="">Phone: +49 (0)251 39 72 99 00<br class="">Managing Director: Andreas Müller<br class="">District Court: Amtsgericht Münster, HRB 16294<br class="">VAT-No: DE199945912<br class=""><br class="">This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. 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